Nocturne Table of Contents and Personal Masterlist
My Old Attempt at a ThematSic Analysis
General Concepts of Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne
Character Analyses of . . .
Christian Kabbalah References:
The Qliphoth References (From Debunking Series)
Personal Theories and Arguments:
The Manikins represented Fascism in its most pathetic form
My Opinion Piece on the Musubi Route
Why Hijiri is probably either Aleph or Mormon Jesus Christ
What TDE Raidou Route Means and Why it is my favorite
The Axiom / Great Will is probably some form of Brahman
I didn’t expect the last part with Gouto-Douji’s message to make my head explode. So, it essentially confirms that Raidou the 14th’s future became Nocturne’s world and not just Nocturne, but specifically the True Demon Ending / Rejection route since that’s the only ending where we get Gouto-Douji’s message and it is in the context of witnessing the True Demon Ending. I didn’t expect that we would receive a confirmation that Raidou games and Nocturne are connected as a timeline. The fan-translations were vague as hell and seemed to suggest Raidou and Gouto-Douji were just commenting on similarities and it also seemed weird that Raidou would just tag along with Demi-fiend to destroy the possibility of Creation. But no, that wasn’t what happened at all. Gouto-Douji and Raidou either figured out or knew from the Akarana Corridors of Time that Nocturne’s world was their future timeline. They decided to see what the hell Lucifer had been doing and then went back hoping to change it to prevent the destruction of the world; Gouto-Douji comments about possibly asking Demi-fiend, but he’s unsure if Demi-fiend would ever bother helping them with undoing his own timeline after going through TDE.
This may also explain how on earth a vision of Demi-fiend, Beelzebub, and Metatron appeared in Digital Devil Saga 1’s world. Raidou the 14th must’ve gone back to screw around with the timeline and accidentally created duplicate versions of them that Brahman ended-up using. The timeline screw-up also impacted SMT2, either due to the events of Raidou the 40th going back in time in Soulless Army to stop the SMT1-2 timeline or because of Raidou the 14th trying to stop the True Demon Ending from becoming the future of his timeline. So, the Archangels and Satan of SMT2 in DDS2 were possibly the results of Raidou the 14th and Gouto-Douji desperately trying to change the timeline or because they stopped Raidou the 40th.
What this means is that every timeline of Raidou is definitely screwed. Law-aligned case files in Raidou vs King Abaddon lead back into the Great Cataclysm and rise of the Center in SMT1-2 (this is basically confirmed due to Raidou 1 being a story about changing from this timeline), Neutral leads into the IF-Soul Hackers-Persona timeline which I’m told leads to another world ending conclusion with Persona 2 Innocent Sin (Confirmed by meeting Raidou in Soul Hackers in the Corridors of Time), and Raidou’s Chaos route with the Lucifer case files leads to Nocturne’s True Demon Ending route and that is confirmed in the Raidou version’s True Demon Ending. That’s also why it was called Maniax Chronicle. It was a Chronicle of the tragic ending of Raidou’s story. Nocturne confirms that every timeline of Raidou the 14th’s is doomed when taken all together.
However, perhaps the most tragic part, is that this could imply Raidou the 14th who went the Chaos route possibly died horribly. Gouto-Douji suggests asking Demi-fiend’s help to undo the timeline, past the point where the Demi-fiend killed his own friends and destroyed all possibility of creation as a wielder of the supreme power of Chaos. Why would Demi-fiend help him do this once fully going the True Demon path when the very next step is to destroy the next universe and continue on to wipe out the billions of Amala Universes in order to end the endless cycle? This could mean that Demi-fiend simply killed Raidou the 14th. Demi-fiend is canonically established to be stronger than Raidou by the Third Kalpa, but there’s two reasons that could suggest Raidou the 14th who chose Chaos simply died or went back and was unable to change anything:
- The possibility that he was simply killed off by Demi-fiend would be a parallel to his own story in Raidou Kuzunoha vs the Soulless Army, where he fights and kills Raidou the 40th, a Raidou Kuzunoha from the future who wanted to prevent the horrible future timeline of SMT1-2 from happening. In this case, Raidou the 14th would be an inverse, going to the future to prevent it from happening, only to be exploited by Lucifer and Demi-fiend before he was killed once he served his purpose as the “spark” that Lucifer needed for the possibility of changing the Demi-fiend’s fate.
- I hadn’t known this before, but people have screencapped the dark birds that Lucifer and the Lady in Black turn into and its two pairs of Yatagarasu. Raidou the 14th gets his powers from Yatagarasu (he even says as much when you recruit him). If Lucifer can transform into Yatagarasu, then its possible that as soon as Raidou the 14th went back to the past, Lucifer turned off his powers so that Raidou the 14th can no longer interfere and becomes a regular person without his spiritual powers heightened. That way, Lucifer gets what he wants and Raidou the 14th of the Chaos route is left regretting his choices knowing what the future will bring while stuck in Taisho 20.
However, my favorite aspect of ALL of this, is definitely Lucifer. I use to say Raidou 2 Lucifer was my second favorite and SMT3 Nocturne TDE route Lucifer was my favorite, but now that it’s basically confirmed that they’re the same person divided by vast stretches of time, this is my favorite Lucifer depiction in all of fiction. Although a bit convoluted, this has to be one of the most mythologically consistent Lucifer depictions with a range of cultural designs and set pieces that really make it all work so well together. From the Lucifer case files and Lucifer himself happy to have his ass kicked three times by Raidou in order to divulge Raidou the 14th’s ability to change a predestined fate (the “spark” that he refers to), to manipulating Hikawa, Yuko Takao, Raidou the 14th, Kagutsuchi, and Demi-fiend to get his long-desired outcome after so many endless defeats and stalemates. I fucking love these two depictions of Lucifer. He misleads Raidou the 14th by having his ass-kicked in order to ascertain Raidou’s ability and then essentially lies to the Demi-fiend by telling Demi-fiend the truth in the TDE route. Absolutely satisfying writing, concepts, themes, and ending on Atlus’s part. It’s amazing how they were able to blend Raidou so seamlessly into it.
A relatively short video of the two boss fights and ending itself:
For more on Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne:
Demon Bible, 1UP Interview regarding Nocturne (Red Hot Chili Peppers as inspiration and Gnostic view of the world as inspiration for Nocturne) and Kazuma Kaneko Works III / Different Translation.
Non-SMT3 Interviews or Artbook Translations: SMT NINE Demons in Kaneko Works III (Eternal Recurrence Concept of Nietzsche referenced in Maria bio), Kaneko Works I, and Kaneko Works II.
From Atlus West: Atlus West Interview with Vice on how they translated the HD Remaster Script
Fan Content by Others
Philosophy of MegaTen Encyclopedia by Beadman
Sam Hatting’s Nietzschean themes in Nocturne (that inspired all of this)
SMT Nocturne and Space in Design by LazyMetaphors
Artemis-Maia Analysis of Amaravati and the Menorahs (that inspired my Qliphoth References) on Eirikrjs Blog
Youtube Content Creators:
SMT Theology by Kid Capes
Larrue’s Nocturne videos related to Themes and Development:
- Story of SMT Nocturne
- Lost SMT3 Nocturne’s Early Draft Concepts
- Kazuma Kaneko’s Art Team
- Learning more about Kazuma Kaneko
Deconstructing Nocturne’s Formulas by Robin and Zephyr
Rasen Bran’s Cathedral of Shadows Podcast:
Season 1, Season 2, and Season 3
Fither’s Lost Nocturne Tech Demo
The 4th Snake’s Opinion Piece on Nocturne’s Freedom Ending