Have the IDW and prominent Atheist Personalities lived up to defending Free Speech and building open-minded online communities?

Note: This is Part 1 of 2 of my critique of people who I use to feel membership into the community of. While many are accepting of my identity of Hindu Atheist/Hindu Anti-theist, there are those in the Western Atheist community who are not and there’s even worse problems on following through with their supposed beliefs and aims.

This question has bothered me for some time after my initial experience and I suspect that the answer is no.

IDW communities and Western Atheist communities aren’t being serious about open-mindedness to questioning their own ideas and they’ve failed to build sustainable communities as a result. Moreover, many of these communities fail to be open to criticism of Islam in particular, even the communities of Conservative “Free Speech” advocates who talk about being more vocal to criticize Islam; it seems the views haven’t translated to the fanbase. As you may imagine, I am deeply disappointed. I decided to take their claims at face value since finding the r/JordanPeterson subreddit to be consistent and open-minded to challenging their beliefs similar to the r/SamHarris subreddit. However, with the other IDW personalities and atheist communities separate from the original New Atheists and Jordan Peterson, I don’t find this to be true. The results were what Liberals would typically expect. For example, I criticized the dominate beliefs of the Ben Shapiro subreddit and here was the result in less than 40 minutes on the subreddit:

 

The IDW briefly hosted a Discord Server for about an hour without much thought put into it. I state without much thought because there were no rules in place and they deleted the content from my main discord username without giving a reason and with no rules in place. This is a group that claims to be pro-Free Speech and opposed to censorship, but then deletes content for no reason and has no rules in place for why. So, using an alternative discord name, I questioned them on it and soon found the discord channels vanish from the Server they made with only the audio for Voice Chat being available; I later realized that my questioning caused them to delete the entire server. The fairly simple questioning can be seen below:

 

 

If you’re a fellow Liberal, don’t be smug, within hours of the same time the r/benshapiro ban happened, I got banned from r/fuckthealtright too since I took their “open-mindedness” seriously and shared a blog post equally critical of Left-leaning personalities and people like Ben Shapiro:

The Behavior of Atheist Communities and Popular Atheist Personalities

One of the worst offenders was actually the r/trueatheism subreddit which categorically banned all positive comments before closing the topic and permanently banning me when I didn’t violate any of their subreddit rules and criticized the religion of Islam with examples like Pakistan’s practice of rape conversions which is likely based on Islamic theology from Quran 4:24, Quran 9:5, and the culture of purity. The deletion by r/trueatheism mods of discussions criticizing Islamic sanctioned rape, which happens in countries like Pakistan to this day, can be seen here:

However, the one that hurt the worst for me personally was the discord server of Genetically Modified Skeptic. For a little over a year, I was part of that Discord and quite enjoyed my time there until eventually one of the moderators, by the username Sentient6, kicked me for disagreeing with her. It wasn’t until after that event that I discovered that one of the Admins, Shane, essentially acted like a helicopter parent, whenever one of the moderators faced disagreement or criticism from regular users for supporting ridiculous ideas such as drunk driving not being made criminally punishable and Shane would always either shut down the conversation by saying the discussion was over or would simply take the moderator’s side by arguing the regular user was being hostile. Eventually, looking through the backlogs, I realized the GMS Discord Admins and Mods always assumed negative intent on anyone who disagreed with them and repeatedly accused the regular users of being hateful, angry, or whining. When I submitted a complaint to Shane, whom I was friends with at the time, he never responded and then – when going back to the Server and chatting on Voice Chat with the other Administrator Hades (alternatively, he names himself as Haram sometimes) who I had considered a friendly acquaintance up until that conversation, Hades told me that complaints of moderators was against the rules. Re-checking the rules, I realized the GMS Discord Server was geared towards shutting down any criticism of the Moderators and Administrators with that rule so that any criticism was portrayed as whining and disregarded in legitimacy of grievances. In fact, many of the other Moderators – when I attempted to have a civil conversation – tried to shut down my criticisms by arguing that I needed to “talk like a real person” as if getting to the root of the matter was somehow inhumane. It was just another way of stifling criticism. Near the end of the conversation, Hades actually told me on the Voice Chat, after I sufficiently made the case that Sentient had broken the rules and kicked me out when I hadn’t violated any rules, that the rules aren’t there for Administrators and Moderators to follow. He repeatedly referred to the GMS Discord server as an autocracy (yes, really. His words and not mine) and essentially told me that rule-breaking on the part of Admins and Mods doesn’t matter because they’re not held accountable by the rules set forth on the Server and therefore they can ban or kick people who didn’t violate any rules. I promptly told him “Okay” then proceeded to tell him to have a nice life and left.

As I’m sure this is going to require hard evidence for people who really like Drew McCoy, I used my alternate to go back and challenge the mod Sentient6’s views. Here’s Sentient6’s claims about her behavior followed-up by her actual actions regarding violation of GMS Discord rules and her arbitrary actions in banning people that she despises with no other justification:

Sentient6’s Claims on her Moderation Approach:

Sentient6’s actual actions in violation of the rules when facing mild criticism:

 

After failing to follow the rules that specify a person can’t personally attack or maliciously insult others, she proceeded with this after being called out on her violation of the rules:

 

Please note that these actions prove Sentient6’s insincerity and blatant lies about her moderation approach on the Genetically Modified Skeptic Discord.

The Paulogia Discord Server Threatening to Ban People for Criticizing Islam

If all that wasn’t enough, here is the terrible moderation system of Atheist Youtube Paulogia’s discord server where the moderator, Kendall Frey, asks for public opinion before requesting to ban me for criticizing Islam after several of the users were acting as apologists for Islamic terrorists turning their own children to child soldiers for their Islamic Jihad. This not only shows mob mentality, but groupthink and an inability to actually moderate the Paulogia Discord Server with any set rules since it is simply majority opinion rule:


jarinjoveToday at 8:47 PM
#ReligionofPeace

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 8:47 PM
ISLAM BAD

Thel ‘VadamToday at 8:49 PM
Religion of [Rest In] Peace

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:55 PM
Of course the issue is the loud minority of extremists who are actually going against the teachings of the Quran
They must be ALL of Islam

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 8:55 PM
No the teachings of the Quran are shit
just like the teachings of the Bible are shit

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:55 PM
Fair

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 8:55 PM
but just saying ISLAM BAD over and over again isn’t productive and breeds resentment and bigotry

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:55 PM
But they aren’t anymore shit than the Bible is my point
It’s literally built off of the same religion

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 8:56 PM
ehhhh

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:56 PM
It’s just about who they think the profit is/whether they have been sent yet

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 8:56 PM
Islam was specially crafted by a king to justify his conquering, so there’s some interesting history there
prophet
religions worship prophets, capitalism worships profits

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:56 PM
Shish
My brain is dead

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 8:57 PM
it’s 9 PM

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:57 PM
My brain is still dead babe

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 8:57 PM
uwu

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:57 PM
I had to go over basically the same syllabus all day in different classes

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 8:57 PM
Syllabus?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:58 PM
That’s not how you spell it is it

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 8:58 PM
Dunno, me english no gud

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:58 PM
Babe did I spell it right?

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 8:58 PM
so yeah, Islam isn’t special and the fearmongering justifies existing bigotry
Christianity hasn’t faced the same pressures that breed widespread violent extremist movements

TheChronographerToday at 8:59 PM
It’s 11 am!

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 8:59 PM
Basically the expectations for how you behave in class, homework, make up work, etc @Bel the degenerate lamb
And how things are weighted
Pretty much every class is 30-40% of your grade is from tests/quizzes/exams

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:00 PM
I search for it and get an article about the Syllabus errorum complectens praecipuos nostrae aetatis errores
Then search for it with english keywords and get the definition
nice

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:01 PM
Telling us if we plagiarize we’ll be expelled. Fun stuff like that

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:02 PM
babe

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:02 PM
wëlp

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:02 PM
stay on topic please

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:02 PM
Sorry
But yeah, Islam is no worse with what it teaches than Christianity

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:02 PM
that was a quick turnaround

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:02 PM
Islamic people however tend to be more aggressive than christians

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:03 PM
That sounds like a blatant stereotype

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:03 PM
Not necessarily because of islam but because of culture I presume

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:03 PM
yeah but the cultural history of Islam has been different to the cultural history of Christianity

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:03 PM
Fair

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:03 PM
Christian countries became secular over time for whatever reason, most Islamic countries are still theocratic

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:03 PM
I mean, in middle school we had a French teacher who was Muslim and she threw shit at students when they didn’t pay attention so maybe it is true
Yeah

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:04 PM
Christian countries became colonial, Islamic empires crumbled and got their land snatched up by the aforementioned colonizers

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:04 PM
It’s like how Americans seem rude in other cultures for being informal but here it would be weird to be more formal

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:04 PM
Christian countries are more secular because of the rennaissance and the reformation wars

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:04 PM
yeah but why did the renaissance only happen here

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:05 PM
Printing press

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:05 PM
fair

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:05 PM
Because we had a stable food supply

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:05 PM
+ rediscovery of greek and roman knowledge

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:05 PM
So people could focus on other practices than farming

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:05 PM
But like, so did most of the people around the area of modern day iraq?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:05 PM
Agriculture is what set forward all types of creative thinking
Hmm
Maybe it was harder to keep the food supply stable because of the environment they were in?

Kendall FreyToday at 9:06 PM
Have you read Sapiens?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:06 PM
Drier and relying heavily on yearly rainfall

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:06 PM
The region is literally called the “fertile crescent”

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:06 PM
No

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:07 PM
And it relies on the mesopotamian rivers, not so much on rainfall

Kendall FreyToday at 9:07 PM
In a weird way it made the agricultural revolution sound like a net negative for the human species

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:07 PM
Yeah because compared to the rest of the Middle East having a River is fuckin wild

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:07 PM
yeet

Kendall FreyToday at 9:07 PM
It’s an interesting book on the history of humans

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:07 PM
Either way
As I was saying agriculture wasn’t the main driving factor
though it did certainly facilitate things

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:07 PM
Honestly I can’t really think of why it would be that the renaissance happened where it did and didn’t where it didn’t
It must be some sort of cultural thing about going against the norm/asking questions

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:08 PM
The introduction of the printing press along with the rediscovery of greek and roman art and sciences drove the renaissance

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:08 PM
Several enlightenment thinkers suffered pretty hard for their works

Kendall FreyToday at 9:08 PM
Another relevant book: Guns Germs and Steel
idk why I’ve read so much about human history

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:09 PM
With the printing press knowledge could be preserved and transmitted much more easily

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:09 PM
Questioning religious beliefs has always been a big no no, so maybe people just weren’t willing to risk it there..? Or didn’t even think to risk it because of how they were raised

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:09 PM
h
nvm I’m not gunna say anything then

jarinjoveToday at 9:09 PM
@Kendall Frey That book has no sources though

Kendall FreyToday at 9:09 PM
Which?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:10 PM
I see you’re totally jumping over the entire conversation about how what you posted was blatantly fear-mongering! Good job!!!

jarinjoveToday at 9:10 PM
Guns, Germs, and Steel. It’s more like the best educated guesses on certain events than verified evidence of them from what I’ve read into the research behind the book.
@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave No, I’m concerned about Islamic terrorism.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:10 PM
You’re fearmongering.

Kendall FreyToday at 9:10 PM
I guess that’s why it’s a book rather than a paper

jarinjoveToday at 9:10 PM
Oh good grief
What is wrong with criticizing a religion by showing how it trains children to kill people?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:11 PM
What about all the white supremacists who literally march chanting Nazi slogans and have fucking swastikas

jarinjoveToday at 9:11 PM
This is literally what is happening

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:11 PM
Context.

jarinjoveToday at 9:11 PM
And you all think that’s fearmongering?

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:11 PM
That’s what’s wrong.

jarinjoveToday at 9:11 PM
Context? Context for training children to kill?
Have you lost your minds?
Seriously?
Have you just thought through what you’re arguing at all?

Kendall FreyToday at 9:11 PM
Hey, settle down

jarinjoveToday at 9:12 PM
They’re defending child soldiers
trained to kill people

Kendall FreyToday at 9:12 PM
Are they?

jarinjoveToday at 9:12 PM
Yes

Kendall FreyToday at 9:12 PM
Are they really?

jarinjoveToday at 9:12 PM
Context for Child soldiers
Context?
For Child soldiers

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:12 PM
:popcorn:

jarinjoveToday at 9:12 PM
That’s insane.

Kendall FreyToday at 9:12 PM
Where did they defend child soldiers?

jarinjoveToday at 9:12 PM
They just did

Kendall FreyToday at 9:12 PM
Where? Which words?

jarinjoveToday at 9:13 PM
Literally ignoring the child soldier videos posted by their parents to say “fearmongering”

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:13 PM
They didn’t though, they’re saying that the way you’re presenting it is fearmongering, they never defended the practice itself

Kendall FreyToday at 9:13 PM
ignoring something is not defending it

jarinjoveToday at 9:13 PM
That’s defending the practice
They said context
That’s a defense of it

Kendall FreyToday at 9:13 PM
No it isn’t

jarinjoveToday at 9:13 PM
Yes, it is.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:13 PM
You never seem to comment on how Christianity teaches children to hate themselves and others because of who they are. You know Christians send children to fucking camps where they are electrocuted because they’re gay. Verbally and physically abused because of who they are

Kendall FreyToday at 9:13 PM
You’re literally reading meaning into things

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:13 PM
While I do agree that the practice of training children to kill is repugnant I do not agree with how you’re handling this conversation.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:13 PM
I like how you haven’t actually consulted me for what I meant by that.

jarinjoveToday at 9:13 PM
@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave Whataboutism

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:14 PM
Yeah, you’ve decided what we meant by what we said

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:14 PM
But honestly I’m going to wait until you do, watching you lose your mind is fucking hilarious.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:14 PM
You haven’t asked either of us for clarification
It really is

jarinjoveToday at 9:14 PM
@Bel the degenerate lamb You are literally saying you’re putting more value into how I word things than you are concerned about Islamist parents training children to kill people.

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:14 PM
@jarinjove Read what I said please.

jarinjoveToday at 9:14 PM
I did
I judged
and I responded

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:14 PM
Except that’s not what Bel said at all, but y’know, semantics.

jarinjoveToday at 9:15 PM
That’s what you’re all doing.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:15 PM
We really aren’t tho

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:15 PM
Oh, you’re so victimized aren’t you

jarinjoveToday at 9:15 PM
Yes, you are
You are defending child soldiers.

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:15 PM
I said that I agree that it is a repugnant practice but the way you are presenting things is leading this conversation away from a more thoughtful discourse.

itypeslowToday at 9:15 PM
o.O

Kendall FreyToday at 9:15 PM
@jarinjove The way I read this conversation is you coming across as unconvincing and biased due to your conversational tactics.

jarinjoveToday at 9:15 PM
Way I’m presenting it?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:15 PM
Yes.

jarinjoveToday at 9:15 PM
What way is a good way?

Kendall FreyToday at 9:15 PM
thoughtful and nuanced

jarinjoveToday at 9:15 PM
Biased? Every human being in the world is biased
You are using words “thoughtful and nuanced” to shut down criticism of Islam.
What matters is accuracy.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:16 PM
It’s possible to disagree with a religious practice without blatantly pushing hate towards the religion and people who practice it

Kendall FreyToday at 9:16 PM
belly laugh

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:16 PM

YouTube
Cherry Poppin Daddies
Cherry Poppin’ Daddies – White Man [Audio]

jarinjoveToday at 9:16 PM
Accuracy is the best context and nuance.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:16 PM
Hehehehehe
A very good song

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:16 PM
Well, for one, instead of taking what everyone else is saying and assuming what they mean without asking for clarification you could like, y’know, actually ask.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:16 PM
:musical_note: You can’t trust me ’cause I’m a white man :musical_note:

jarinjoveToday at 9:16 PM
@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29

jarinjoveToday at 9:16 PM
@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29

Kendall FreyToday at 9:16 PM
You are using words “thoughtful and nuanced” to shut down criticism of Islam.
There is no way I can take you seriously anymore today

jarinjoveToday at 9:17 PM
@Kendall Frey Because you refuse to accept what you’re doing.

Kendall FreyToday at 9:17 PM
:strawman:

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:17 PM
You know Taylor swifts also said it well.
“Control your urges to scream about all the people you hate”

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:17 PM
Y’know, thinking about it, maybe the Bo Burnham song would be more fitting

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:17 PM

YouTube
TaylorSwiftVEVO
Taylor Swift – You Need To Calm Down

jarinjoveToday at 9:17 PM
Oh memeing songs is your response?

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:17 PM
I mean you’re basically a living meme anyway
so yeah, it is

jarinjoveToday at 9:18 PM
@Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng&t=1s
YouTube
SyeTen
The Sound of Muslims

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:18 PM
:musical_note: I take more than I need ’cause I’m a white man :musical_note:

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:18 PM
Yes. Yes it is. Because you refuse to listen, just scream about how wrong we must be

jarinjoveToday at 9:18 PM
@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng&t=1s
YouTube
SyeTen
The Sound of Muslims

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:18 PM
Oh I’ve seen that, it’s pretty good.
Sye is a bit centristy most of the time

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:18 PM
Without making an actual thesis about how your position is right

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:18 PM
I think his undisputed masterpiece is “Join Islam”, a song so catchy, most people probably don’t even listen to the lyrics

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:19 PM
Just saying “ITS RIGHT BECAUSE I SAID SO AND YOURE BEING BAD!!!!!!!”
Babe

jarinjoveToday at 9:19 PM
@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave I use evidence

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:19 PM
Babe don’t you dare start this

jarinjoveToday at 9:19 PM
You use a bunch of vacuous words to defend child soldiers.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:19 PM
I will fucking do it

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:19 PM
NO HUEY LEWIS RANTS

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:19 PM
I mean, you could always ask what I meant by context

jarinjoveToday at 9:19 PM
Memeing
To defend child soldiers

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:19 PM
but y’know, that’s too much work

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:19 PM
Jarin, you’re using a strawman the size of me fricking house

jarinjoveToday at 9:19 PM
Don’t pretend any of you have any morals.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:19 PM
Oh no, are our words too big for you? Do they scare you?

Kendall FreyToday at 9:19 PM
Hey, cut it out

jarinjoveToday at 9:19 PM
It’s not a strawman, just listen to Ex-Muslims

Kendall FreyToday at 9:19 PM
Ad hominem isn’t getting you anywhere

jarinjoveToday at 9:20 PM
It’s not

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:20 PM
:musical_note: I can understand you’re afraid to take my hand :musical_note:

jarinjoveToday at 9:20 PM
Ex-Muslims literally live in fear of death
Across the world
Stop making excuses.

itypeslowToday at 9:20 PM
who’s suppose to be defending child soldier?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:20 PM
It is a strawman, you’re saying that these people are defending child soldiers

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:20 PM
:musical_note: Cause when it all goes bad, I’ll stab you in the back. White man! :musical_note:

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:20 PM
Despite them saying otherwise.

jarinjoveToday at 9:20 PM
@Bel the degenerate lamb They are.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:20 PM
Lots of people live in fear of death because of other religions too.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:20 PM
I mean, you could always ask what our position is

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:20 PM
They aren’t though

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:20 PM
but that’s too much work

jarinjoveToday at 9:20 PM
>nuance and thoughtful discussion! Over child soldiers…

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:20 PM
Of course
It’s easier to just scream about how awful we are

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:21 PM
So you want emotional and irrational discussion over such a serious issue?

jarinjoveToday at 9:21 PM
Why not state your positions, if you want to be clear from the getgo?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:21 PM
hhhhhhhH

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:21 PM
Because I’m amused by your anger

jarinjoveToday at 9:21 PM
In other words
You were never serious.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:21 PM
And you never asked

jarinjoveToday at 9:21 PM
And you’re defending child soldiers.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:21 PM
Just decided how awful we are

jarinjoveToday at 9:21 PM
Okay

Kendall FreyToday at 9:21 PM
Take a walk, breathe.

jarinjoveToday at 9:21 PM
Child Soldier apologists.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:21 PM
mega oof

jarinjoveToday at 9:21 PM
All of you.

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:21 PM
h

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:21 PM
F
can we get an F in chat for jarin’s dignity

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:21 PM
Just like everyone who supports abortion rights is a murderer?
F

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:22 PM
>says the practice of training childs as soldiers is repugnant
>gets called child soldier apologist
haha yes
F

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:22 PM
Major F

Luna The Ticcing AtheistToday at 9:22 PM
That was a wild ride to lurk on

Luna The Ticcing AtheistToday at 9:22 PM

That was a wild ride to lurk on

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:22 PM

Heyo Luna

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:22 PM

did he get kicked

Luna The Ticcing AtheistToday at 9:22 PM

Howdy

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:22 PM

yee

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:22 PM

nope, still here

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:22 PM

he isn’t tho

try tagging him

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:22 PM

I can tag him

Kendall FreyToday at 9:22 PM

He wasn’t kicked

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:23 PM

So he left of his own will?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:23 PM

He was literally upset about us wanting to talk about a serious topic in an open way that understands every part of the subject

He was upset because we wanted to talk about all the facts of a situation

itypeslowToday at 9:23 PM

what was that all about??

Kendall FreyToday at 9:23 PM

Let’s not talk shit about people while they’re not here

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:23 PM

doesn’t look like he’s here

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:23 PM

He isn’t active, but he’s still here

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:23 PM

For anyone interested in what my actual argument was, it’s that criticism of Islam is never just criticism of Islam in the United States.

Kendall FreyToday at 9:23 PM

I think he just look my advice

Taking a walk

Luna The Ticcing AtheistToday at 9:24 PM

@jarinjove

He’s not here….?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:24 PM

@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave wdym?

Kendall FreyToday at 9:24 PM

Oh, it appears he left the server voluntarily

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:24 PM

There’s such a zeitgeist of xenophobia in the US that out-of-the-blue criticism of this religion is almost always an attempt to stoke said xenophobia, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or very ignorant.

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:24 PM

why do I even bother mentioning it

hhh

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:25 PM

Yeah. The “#religionofpeace” comment was unnecessary and obviously bashing Islam and making it seem like something so much worse than every religion and everyone who is in it is doing the extremist things he showed(edited)

itypeslowToday at 9:25 PM

i think i understand what you mean

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:25 PM

Islam isn’t in a position of power in the US, nor is Islamic terrorism a real threat in the US.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:25 PM

^^^^

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:25 PM

Let’s all be fair, these terrible things like child soldiers are more prominent in Islamic countries.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:25 PM

You aren’t speaking truth to power by criticizing it, nor defending the innocent.

Yes they are

for reasons discussed earlier

itypeslowToday at 9:26 PM

indeed

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:26 PM

The biggest issue is white supremacists. They’re the ones shooting up schools, theatres, gay bars, abusing people and children, etc

Oh absolutely

itypeslowToday at 9:26 PM

child soldier is atrocious, but so is child slavery

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:27 PM

There’s definitely more violence in those countries but you need a NUANCED perspective as to why there’s more violence

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:27 PM

but honestly I’ve found it’s really fun to bait conservatives with something small that plays into their existing preconceptions and let them run wild with accusations

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:27 PM

Cultural and ethnic tensions along with political instability

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:27 PM

Yup.

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:27 PM

With Islam often serving as a justification for many of the worse things commited by people in the Islamic world

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:28 PM

It’s really not that complicated

I don’t know why he couldn’t get it

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:28 PM

I used to be on genetically modified skeptic’s server and he would do nothing but fearmonger there too.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:28 PM

Fun.

itypeslowToday at 9:29 PM

who did fearmongering, gms?

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:29 PM

Jarin.

LuminaireToday at 9:29 PM

You mean the Ex-Muslim videos?

itypeslowToday at 9:29 PM

i see

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:29 PM

GMS has a server? Imma join it

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:29 PM

Don’t, if it’s the same way it was when I left it the mods are horrible.

itypeslowToday at 9:29 PM

that’s sad

LuminaireToday at 9:30 PM

Are you talking about the Ex-Muslim videos though?

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:30 PM

No, I’m talking about jarin.

LuminaireToday at 9:30 PM

He posted Ex-Muslim videos on that server

Do you mean that?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:30 PM

@Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll Bruh that only means I’ll be able to be more of a degenerate

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:30 PM

Not that kind of horrible.

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:30 PM

ow oof my bones

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:30 PM

It just pisses me off how quick he is to attack Islam but doesn’t say anything about Christian issues.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:30 PM

One of them talks like a corporate marketing department, one’s a selfish libertarian, and the others are fairly ineffective.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:30 PM

It’s obvious he only has issue with Islam

LuminaireToday at 9:31 PM

Ex-Muslims in the West, in those videos, were saying they were being killed in the West and Liberals are ignoring their human rights.

itypeslowToday at 9:31 PM

eecchhh

LuminaireToday at 9:31 PM

Did you watch any of those videos?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:31 PM

Oi, @Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave, you have to admit that what you’re doing there is whataboutism

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:31 PM

Did we get another one

LuminaireToday at 9:31 PM

Well

you’re saying he’s an islamophobe

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:31 PM

is meat back on the menu

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:31 PM

If we’re discussing Islam there is little reason to bring up similar actions encouraged by christianity

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:31 PM

Yes and no. It’s related

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:31 PM

Yeah, because he pretty clearly is.

LuminaireToday at 9:32 PM

Okay so, if you criticize Christianity, does that make you a Christianphobe?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:32 PM

It’s related because we’re talking about how bias against Islam, and the fact he never brings up issues in Christianity is what supports that

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:32 PM

…did you miss my ENTIRE spiel about cultural context?

LuminaireToday at 9:32 PM

Well, he posted videos about Ex-Muslims in the West

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:32 PM

Answer the question please.

LuminaireToday at 9:32 PM

I just did

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:32 PM

No you didn’t(edited)

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:33 PM

Did you see the spiel about cultural context

LuminaireToday at 9:33 PM

Okay, if we’re talking cultural context

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:33 PM

You changed the subject back to those videos

LuminaireToday at 9:33 PM

And it was Ex-Muslims in the West

Why can’t they talk about being killed in the West?

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:33 PM

You’re not actually acknowledging the rant so I’m going to paste it again

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:33 PM

That wasn’t the issue we were talking about. No one ever said they can’t talk about that.

LuminaireToday at 9:33 PM

You said on gms’s server

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:33 PM

There’s such a zeitgeist of xenophobia in the US that out-of-the-blue criticism of this religion is almost always an attempt to stoke said xenophobia, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or very ignorant. Islam isn’t in a position of power in the US, nor is Islamic terrorism a real threat in the US.

LuminaireToday at 9:33 PM

he posted Ex-Muslim videos

I asked if that was what you’re talking about

and you’re ignoring my question

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:34 PM

Yes. We said it wasn’t.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:34 PM

I don’t remember

he was just shilling his website

he did the same thing here before Kendall stopped him

LuminaireToday at 9:34 PM

So wait, he’s an islamaphobe for what he said on GMS’s server and you don’t remember what he said?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:34 PM

For what he said HERE.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:34 PM

Why not both?

LuminaireToday at 9:35 PM

He said GMS’s server

not here

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:35 PM

I’m gonna go.

 

LuminaireToday at 9:35 PM
You can’t claim he said or did things and then not provide proof

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:35 PM

:upside_down:

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:35 PM
@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave you should also go

LuminaireToday at 9:35 PM
He said that the stuff jarin did on GMS’s server
I asked if it was those videos
Now he’s ignoring me

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:35 PM
how do you expect me to get chat logs from a server I’m no longer on

LuminaireToday at 9:36 PM
What did jarin do?

itypeslowToday at 9:36 PM
luminaire == jarin?

LuminaireToday at 9:36 PM
Why did you say it then?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:36 PM
This isn’t meant to be rude but i genuinely want to know if you have a mental disability or something
Omg maybe

LuminaireToday at 9:36 PM
What

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:36 PM
They don’t have a pfp…

LuminaireToday at 9:36 PM
?
pfp?

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:36 PM
No, I think he’s just got more bad faith than the Westboro Baptist Church.

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:36 PM
Profile Picture
Is english your first language, Luminaire?

LuminaireToday at 9:37 PM
pfp is not english

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:37 PM
He just wants to make me look bad and I aint having it. I’m getting back to my memes.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:37 PM
Babe wanna play Minecraft?

LuminaireToday at 9:37 PM
I just asked questions
This is like that Ben Shapiro interview

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:37 PM
pfp is english though

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:37 PM
Get you a certified Gamer Girl™️ like @Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll has

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:37 PM
it’s short for profile pic

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:37 PM
wrong channel

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:37 PM
I literally gave you evidence of him saying he wasn’t talking about the videos dude

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:38 PM
Give it up, boo.
He’s not going to accept anything we can actually give.

LuminaireToday at 9:38 PM
No, he said jarin said islamophobic stuff on GMS’s server. jarin posted Ex-Muslim videos, I asked if those were it. Sex,drugs, and rocknroll then said he didn’t remember what jarin said or did on that server.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:38 PM
And this isn’t the fun kind of ridiculousness.

LuminaireToday at 9:39 PM
okay
I’m out. This is pointless.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:39 PM
Oh good. What’s the new topic?

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:39 PM
He said he said islamophobic things here. He never said he did that on GMS’s server. He said would fear monger there.

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:39 PM
BABE GIVE IT UP

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:39 PM
I NEED TO DEFEND YOUR HONOR

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:40 PM
There isn’t a point.

itypeslowToday at 9:40 PM
better change topic

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:40 PM
Someone asking for chat logs from a server I’m no longer on isn’t looking for a quality discussion.

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:40 PM
Fair

LuminaireToday at 9:40 PM

@Hentai, prozac, and vaporwave

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:41 PM
Have there been any shootings since this conversation started
that would be something to talk about

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:41 PM
Yes. Fearmongering =/= islamaphobia

itypeslowToday at 9:41 PM
fearmongering is not equal to islamophobe

Kendall FreyToday at 9:41 PM
any type? probably

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:41 PM
That’s what I said.
Omg

Kendall FreyToday at 9:41 PM
mass shootings? most likely not

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:41 PM
Eh, give it a week

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:41 PM
There’s definitely been a shooting of some kind
What about the amazing way Brooklyn 99 represents LGBT+ people?
It’s a quality show
Something positive here (for once)

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:42 PM
representation is an interesting topic

Kendall FreyToday at 9:42 PM
I prefer sexual minorities represent themselves
(I miss you Stephen Fry)
(QI is such a good show)

itypeslowToday at 9:43 PM
did stephen fry die?

Kendall FreyToday at 9:43 PM
nah

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:43 PM
The captain of the precinct is gay and he had some conflicts caused by the face he was an openly gay African American in the NYPD but not all of them were

itypeslowToday at 9:43 PM
fiou

Kendall FreyToday at 9:43 PM
just stopped hosting QI

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:43 PM
That’s a little bit hard given that they’re minorities

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:43 PM
Like, he had marital problems and it was completely natural and everyone on the show is chill about it

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:44 PM
Another character came out as bi and no one cared, the only thing that changed was that if others were guessing the name of their partner they would guess girl names too

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:44 PM
Gay people are degenerates

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:44 PM
We are

Kendall FreyToday at 9:44 PM
from upcountry?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:44 PM
yeet

Kendall FreyToday at 9:44 PM
Homophobes is definitely degens

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:45 PM
Also true
Like

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:45 PM
(He’s joking cause he is a gay)

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:45 PM
Who tf fears homes

Kendall FreyToday at 9:45 PM
What about…
fake gays

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:45 PM
I wish homophobes were actually scared of me

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:45 PM
homophones

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:45 PM
homophones are
not that

itypeslowToday at 9:45 PM
why?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:45 PM
things that sound similar lmao

Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ rollToday at 9:45 PM
@itypeslow watching conservatives flip shit is fun, as we have established

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:45 PM
“I STG SUSAN BACK OFF OR I WILL KISS THIS GIRL”
I can’t type

itypeslowToday at 9:46 PM
they do tend to go ape shit

Kendall FreyToday at 9:46 PM
I’m a homophobe. I have an irrational fear of the genus Homo

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:46 PM
Btw Hentai girl, the joke was that I have degenerate in my name

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:46 PM
So you’re scared of yourself?

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:46 PM
Mood Kendall

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:46 PM
Oh right
I’m big dumb

Bel the degenerate lambToday at 9:46 PM
same tbh

Hentai, prozac, and vaporwaveToday at 9:47 PM
when you’re so badass you scare yourself

Update: If you need further proof, Kendall Frey insulted my other username and kicked me out after I dutifully answered his question about bringing up religious topics of human rights abuses causing fear. They claimed my answer was “bad faith” simply because they didn’t like it and said any response I made was “strawman” because – again – they didn’t like it. These people use words without understanding them.

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